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Some excellent news on GMOs. There is evidence that the GMO “shills”…

Some excellent news on GMOs. There is evidence that the GMO “shills” (paid propagandists and lobbyists masquerading as promoters of “scientific awareness”) do not have many hits on their sites. They are truly unpopular. These small gangs can attack GMO opponents, & terrorize and bully some lone scientist all they want. I can see that the strategy of GMO companies is to lobby governments and newspapers, which is much easier.
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People make the mistake of engaging a paid shill. All one should do is *expose* them.

Finance people were risk-blind, but were a 1000 times more sophisticated than GMO-biologists (at least finance people can understand an insult). I noticed that the GMO promoters make elementary risk mistakes of showing the “benefits” of GMO (which I don’t contest) as if it meant anything about the “risk” of GMOs. This is the standard Russian Roulette fallacy by which someone tells you the probability of getting the bullet is lower *because* the money you win is now larger.
So far all arguments are fraught with these fallacies: 1) The “evidentiary fallacy” (or Turkey problem, mistaking evidence of absence for absence of evidence), 2) The potato fallacy, 3) The technological salvation fallacy (risk-blind), aside from other similar elementary mistakes.(paid propagandists and lobbyists masquerading as promoters of “scientific awareness”) do not have many hits on their sites. They are truly unpopular. These small gangs can attack GMO opponents, & terrorize and bully some lone scientist all they want. I can see that the strategy of GMO companies is to lobby governments and newspapers, which is much easier.

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People make the mistake of engaging a paid shill. All one should do is *expose* them.

Finance people were risk-blind, but were a 1000 times more sophisticated than GMO-biologists (at least finance people can understand an insult). I noticed that the GMO promoters make elementary risk mistakes of showing the “benefits” of GMO (which I don’t contest) as if it meant anything about the “risk” of GMOs. This is the standard Russian Roulette fallacy by which someone tells you the probability of getting the bullet is lower *because* the money you win is now larger.

So far all arguments are fraught with these fallacies: 1) The “evidentiary fallacy” (or Turkey problem, mistaking evidence of absence for absence of evidence), 2) The potato fallacy, 3) The technological salvation fallacy (risk-blind), aside from other similar elementary mistakes.

via Some excellent news on GMOs. There is evidence… – Nassim Nicholas Taleb.

“A pound of algebra is worth a ton of verbal commentary”

On GMOs: “A pound of algebra is worth a ton of verbal commentary”. I managed to fit the Precautionary Principle into a few lines. The GMO paid propagandists are pounding tons of verbalistic statements (even an incompetent smear campaign), but this simple summary should cancel about everything they are trying to say. In a single column. They need to refute my representation or show that f(breeding) has the same maximum as f(GMOs).

via Timeline Photos – Nassim Nicholas Taleb.

Is Nassim Taleb a “dangerous imbecile” or just on the pay of the anti-GMO mafia? | Genetic Literacy Project

Taleb is known for his disagreeable personality–as Keith Kloor at Discover noted, the economist Noah Smith has called Taleb a “vulgar bombastic windbag”, adding, “and I like him a lot”–and he has a right to flaunt an ego bigger than the Goodyear blimp. But that doesn’t make his argument any more persuasive.

The crux of his claims: There is no comparison between conventional selective breeding of any kind, including mutagenesis which requires the irradiation or chemical dousing of seeds and has resulted in more than 2500 varieties of fruits, vegetables, and nuts, almost all available in organic varieties versus what his calls the top-down engineering that occurs when a gene is taken from an organism and transferred to another ignoring that some forms of genetic engineering, including gene editing, do not involve gene transfers. Taleb goes on to argue that the chance of ecocide, or the destruction of the environment and potentially humans, increases incrementally with each additional transgenic trait introduced into the environment. In other words, in his mind it’s a classic “black swan” scenario.

via Is Nassim Taleb a “dangerous imbecile” or just on the pay of the anti-GMO mafia? | Genetic Literacy Project.

Genetically Modified Organisms Risk Global Ruin, Says Black Swan Author — The Physics arXiv Blog

Taleb and co focus on two examples. The first is nuclear energy. They point out that many people are justifiably concerned about the risk associated with nuclear energy. Scientists are well aware of the harm that can be caused by radiation release, core meltdown and the disposal of radioactive waste and these risks have been studied extensively.

While the potential harm from a nuclear accident can be large, it is generally scale dependent and far from global. So when it comes to making decisions about whether to use nuclear energy on a local scale, the risks involved can be managed using appropriate safety measures that have been carefully considered.

Taleb and co contrast this to the case of genetically modified organisms. They argue that the risk from genetically modified organisms is a potential for widespread impact on the ecosystem and widespread impact on human health. In other words, it is scale independent.

via Genetically Modified Organisms Risk Global Ruin, Says Black Swan Author — The Physics arXiv Blog — Medium.

So, finally, after our Precautionary paper, a GMO (Monsanto) lobbyist…

So, finally, after our Precautionary paper, a GMO (Monsanto) lobbyist (name: Val Giddings) seems to be after us, with naive demonization techniques, very elementary efforts at delegitimizing me in person. I thought we were doing something wrong before that. But the problem is that the fellow is not very skilled at it and can’t seem to get more than 900 pple on twitter (a net of 300 followers after reciprocation).

I wonder if something has changed in the smear campaign business. Not that it has ever been a great idea. Ralph Nader a lone activist faced a smear campaign by GM (failed). Same with Edmond Safra with American Express paying journalists to smear him (failed too, but he got them to pay big bucks and benefited hugely from the affair).

Anyway, worth inspecting how these things work.

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UPDATE: So far reactions by lobbyists to our paper are not worth answering scientifically so far as they have been ALREADY addressed in text. The lobbyists just perform strawman deformations. Answering these other than telling them they are spinning means entering their game.

http://www.lobbywatch.org/profile1.asp?PrId=51&page=G

‘The Terminator technology is not unethical. It is unethical to empower farmers with the ability to steal value added by companies.’

via So, finally, after our Precautionary paper, a… – Nassim Nicholas Taleb.