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We have decided to answer one review of our Precautionary Principle paper…

We have decided to answer one review of our Precautionary Principle paper with respect to GMOs, written as a continuation of the original paper, and in a way to make our idea of tail risk accessible to biologists so they can connect to their discipline.

“For GMOs, all contexts are foreign in this sense as their construction process bypassed the normal coevolutionary context (…) all ecosystems have evolved in the absence of GMOs.”

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We have decided to answer one review of our… – Nassim Nicholas Taleb.

Response to review by Trevor Charles re: Precautionary Principle | NECSI

A few days ago, Trevor Charles posted a review of our paper entitled “The Precautionary Principle (with Application to the Genetic Modification of Organisms)”. Here we provide a response.

Thank you for the review of our paper. We will provide a point by point response below to your comments. Since you have focused on biological questions it is important for us to emphasize that we did not perform a “statistical analysis” (which is inherently evidentiary and data based and anchored in biological experiments). Instead we are engaged in a rigorous analysis of risk as it is derived from mathematical probability theory. Many of the citations you are asking for fall within the “carpenter fallacy” that we present in the text, i.e. that discussions about carpentry are not relevant to and distract from identifying the risks associated with gambling even though the construction of a roulette wheel involves carpentry. Mathematical probability-related arguments do not require biological citations. At the same time we have striven to explain how the biological context maps onto the risk analysis so that the connection between the two is more apparent to those who are focused on biology. For this reason we are providing the responses below. As a general comment, it would be very helpful for biologists who are contemplating or engaging in engineering strategies to read about the failures of systems engineering discussed in the text (Section VIII). This should lead to a better understanding about why the issue is not biology per se, but about the nature of engineering of complex systems in cases that carry high potential harm, for example as has been found in modernization of the Air Traffic Control system. Reading that discussion should establish a better context for a conversation about the risks in biological engineering.

via Response to review by Trevor Charles re: Precautionary Principle | NECSI.

Kiran Mazumdar-Shaw and Black Swan author Nassim Nicholas Taleb in Twitter spat over GM benefits – Economic Times

As the conversation veered towards innuendoes and name calling, the real issue about the benefitsrisks of GM crops went off the track. The main story which triggered this debate was about a rigorous meta analysis and one of the largest reviews on GM crops, which said that technology has wide-spread benefits, including increased crop yields, reduced pesticide use and profit for farmers.

Taleb’s argument was that Shaw was confusing risk analysis and benefits, and was trying to hide the other impacts of GM technology.

via Kiran Mazumdar-Shaw and Black Swan author Nassim Nicholas Taleb in Twitter spat over GM benefits – Economic Times.

Taleb’s “The Precautionary Principle (with application to GMOs)”. Advocacy Masquerading as Rational Argument.

The Precautionary Principle (with application to the Genetic Modification of Organisms) suggests that GMOs pose a “ruin” problem, “in which a system is at risk of total failure”. Taleb and colleagues believe that the risks from GMOs, even if small, can mount up and spread because our agricultural and natural systems are globally connected. So even though each risk may be “small and reasonable”, they “accumulate inevitably to certain irreversible harm.” Taleb et.al. say these potential threats pose the “risk of global harm”. Not just local harm, which we can live with, but global.

They argue that these characteristics warrant a strong Precautionary Principle approach, essentially a ban on GMOs, at least while much more research is done.

via On Taleb et.al.’s “The Precautionary Principle (with application to the Genetic Modification of… — Medium.

Arguing with biologists about risk is exactly like arguing with George W. Bush about algebraic geometry.

Arguing with biologists about risk is exactly like arguing with George W. Bush about algebraic geometry.

This is by Mark Buchanan, a physicist.

The Trouble With the Genetically Modified Future
With GMOs, there’s no way of knowing how bad the worst-case scenario could be.

via Arguing with biologists about risk is exactly… – Nassim Nicholas Taleb.